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Traveller-digest      Monday, November 8 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1326<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Zhodani Govt.<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Evolution (longish)<BR>
Re: Travshorts II<BR>
RE: Social Standing<BR>
Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea <BR>
re: Zhodani Gov't<BR>
FarFuture Site was [none]<BR>
Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Zhodani Govt.<BR>
Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)<BR>
Re: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
Re: Travshorts II<BR>
Civil War Foreign Affairs<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)<BR>
Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:20:09 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Zhodani Govt.<BR>
<BR>
>Ian Ferguson wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
>   I am unfamiliar with the Vargr Charisma and Zhodani<BR>
>   mageocracy systems, but I have always figured that a rich<BR>
>   character with megacredits can still have low SoS (picture<BR>
>   Al Capone).<BR>
>>>>>>>>><BR>
>The Vargr character generation system has the far more volatile <BR>
>Charisma taking the place (for the most part) of Social Standing,<BR>
>at least in Vargr culture...though an Imperial Vargr would almost<BR>
>certainly have an Imperial social standing as well.<BR>
><BR>
>"Mageocracy" = rulership by people with magical powers. Not the<BR>
>most accurate term, but social standing in the Zhodani consulate<BR>
>is strongly linked to posession of psionic powers, and the strength<BR>
>of those powers.<BR>
<BR>
 Advancement in the nobility of the Consulate has more to do with<BR>
the desire to lead and the responsibility to do so. At every level<BR>
the nobles are a democracy amongst themselves, regardless of how<BR>
they handle the Proles that are their responsibility. The Nobles of<BR>
a planet elect a planetary Council, which elects two members to<BR>
the subsector Council, which elects members to the Provincial<BR>
Council, which elects members to the Consulate Council<BR>
(aka the Qlomdlabr').<BR>
<BR>
 The closest I've come to describing this is "Democratic Meritocracy."<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:45:18 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
You don't need to...unless you're buying Coke in Israel, that's the only<BR>
time Hebrew appears on the label.<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
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On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >On Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:04:32 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
> ><tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >>How much does it cost to ship Coke overseas?  I am dreadfully allergic to<BR>
> corn, and yes, that is what is in Coca-Cola here.  (I love lamb chops, and<BR>
> Australia is how close to Japan?  Hmmm.... wonder if Hiroshi could be<BR>
> persuaded to do music promotions in Australia.  Probably not, sigh.)<BR>
> >><BR>
> >Kiri, just stock up once a year around Passover - when the Coke<BR>
> >is marked 'Kosher l'Pesach' (in Hebrew), it's made with sugar,<BR>
> >not corn syrup.  IIRC, Sephardic Jews consider corn and corn<BR>
> >products to be chometz.<BR>
> ><BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:13:57 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 10:13 AM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>The UK law as I understand it, is something like:<BR>
><BR>
>A cricket bat being taken home from a crickect bat shop or being<BR>
>conveyed towards a place where cricket might be expected to be played<BR>
>(with that bat) or being used at such a venue is a cricket bat.<BR>
><BR>
>At other times it is an offensive weapon and thus posession is illegal.<BR>
<BR>
Some parts of the US (New York City, in particular) have similar laws.  For <BR>
example, it's illegal to carry a baseball bat if you don't have a baseball <BR>
on you (I guess the idea is that if you have both, you are actually going <BR>
to be playing).  I know at one point I purchased a quarterstaff in the city <BR>
and had it in a carrying case as I was taking it home.  On the subway, a <BR>
cop asked me what it was, why I had it and asked to see the receipt as <BR>
proof that I had just bought it and wasn't just toting it around....<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:18:32 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Evolution (longish)<BR>
<BR>
Christopher Thrash writes:<BR>
>*Note: I am not a biologist, nor do I play one on TV. The<BR>
>information contained herein derived from working as a<BR>
>computer tech at the Patuxent Wildlife Research Center, with<BR>
>access to the library and entirely too much time on my hands.*<BR>
<BR>
	I am a biologist, but I have not played one on TV.<BR>
<BR>
>There is a specific subfield of evolutionary biology called<BR>
>/island biogeography/.<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>There are two basic observations: <BR>
>(1) That the number of species on an island rises as its area<BR>
>increases.<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>(2) That extinct species are replenished more quickly the<BR>
>closer the island is to a source habitat<BR>
<snipped><BR>
<BR>
	Good summary of island biogeography.<BR>
<BR>
>A secondary observation is that there is a minimum area<BR>
>threshold for speciation; areas smaller than this will not<BR>
>support the independent development of new species. If<BR>
>isolated, existing species that become extinct will not be<BR>
>replaced and the overall biodiversity will reduce to<BR>
>the level that the area can support on its own. "Fragmentation<BR>
>of tropical forests will leave only habitat islands below the<BR>
>minimum level for autochthonous speciation. (Division in situ<BR>
>into subspecies along clines)."<BR>
<BR>
	I am not familiar with the term "autochthonous," but from<BR>
	the quote provided I take it to mean the division of one<BR>
	species into two where there is no physical barrier to<BR>
	separate the prospective species.  This certainly makes<BR>
	sense: very small populations would find such speciation<BR>
	unlikely (it is contraversial as to whether such speciation<BR>
	takes place even in large areas).  However, a small area can<BR>
	actually help speciation along in the sense of a population<BR>
	evolving into a new species.<BR>
<BR>
>There may also be a relationship between the size of the island<BR>
>and the mass of the largest animal that can evolve there. (I<BR>
>remember reading a paper on this, but I can't find a reference<BR>
>for it.)<BR>
<BR>
	There is certainly a limit to the size of organisms that<BR>
	can live there, and you cannot evolve if you cannot live.<BR>
	I can repost those biomass estimates to give you an idea<BR>
	of how large the different levels of the food chain are<BR>
	likely to be, but (as someone posted) 100 kg plants to 10<BR>
	kg herbivores to 1 kg carnivores is a good rule-of-thunb.<BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav:<BR>
>* In the case of the generation ship, unless it is *extremely*<BR>
>large, species are more likely to die out than be replaced<BR>
>through speciation, and the overall complexity of the biosphere<BR>
>will decline.<BR>
<BR>
	This is probably true.  If you really want a complex<BR>
	ecosystem, an argument could be made that the complexity<BR>
	of the vessel (halls, different levels, etc.) make it<BR>
	effectively bigger than it is.  Also, if some parts of<BR>
	the vessel are cut off from others, different species<BR>
	might evolve in each (perhaps the separation was <BR>
	temporary, just long enough to establish reproductively<BR>
	isolated populations).<BR>
<BR>
>* These results imply that (within limits) planets with larger<BR>
>land masses should support more species and therefore more<BR>
>complex land ecosystems.<BR>
<BR>
	I'm not sure that the rules of island biogeography can be<BR>
	extended in this fashion.  Without going into a long-winded<BR>
	explanation, the complexity of the ecosystem around San<BR>
	Francisco has very little to do with how big eastern North<BR>
	America is.<BR>
<BR>
>* There may be some utility in looking at all inhabited planets<BR>
>as "islands", and the Imperium or other interstellar state as an<BR>
>"archipelago". Sophonts are a transport mechanism, maintaining<BR>
>the diversity of small habitats by introducing new species or re-<BR>
>introducing old ones that threaten to die out.<BR>
<BR>
	I would certainly expect that lots of species would invade<BR>
	new worlds, some might be well-known pests (like Terran<BR>
	rats).<BR>
<BR>
>One feature of a Long Night would then be a massive die-off of<BR>
>small populations on isolated worlds, as they reach a new, lower<BR>
>equilibrium diversity. This would not happen overnight, of course.<BR>
<BR>
	Terran history has seen numbers of species fluctuate rather<BR>
	widely, and the same would be expected of any biosphere.<BR>
	That being said, I wouldn't expect a noticable decline in<BR>
	the number of species (other than a few transient individuals<BR>
	around the starport) in any biosphere after the cessation of<BR>
	interstellar contact.  Worlds with restricted ecosystems (life<BR>
	only found in deep canyons, artificial domes, within a few km<BR>
	of the poles, etc.) might be an exception, but speciation/<BR>
	extinction rates tend to be VERY slow by human standards.<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:18:07 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
At 02:56 PM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>I've had a number of responses so far to my request for Traveller short<BR>
>stories (3-7000 words, any Canon traveller setting, etc) There's room for<BR>
>more.<BR>
<BR>
Hey, I could do this!<BR>
<BR>
"They all died"<BR>
<BR>
There, that's three words and fits any Canon setting... :)<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:31:58 -0500<BR>
From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
Subject: RE: Social Standing<BR>
<BR>
Walter Smith writes:<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>For a counter-example of Al Capone, look at John Kennedy senior.<BR>
<snipped><BR>
>Considering the social circles some gangsters moved in - <BR>
>Hollywood, Las Vegas, etc. - there are many examples of gangsters<BR>
>who would be rated with quite high (if very vulnerable) social<BR>
>standings, even while at the height of their careers.<BR>
<BR>
	I don't know what Mr. Kennedy's SoS would have been after he<BR>
	had made his fortune, but certainly having lots of money<BR>
	would allow a person to "rub shoulders" with a higher class<BR>
	(at least, in this culture).  Similarly, there are some very<BR>
	well-know and well-off individuals in holleywood with (IMHO)<BR>
	low SoS.  That's because I see SoS as reflecting one's habits,<BR>
	language, etc., rather than one's status in society.  In the<BR>
	same way, I can see someone with a PhD having a low Edu if<BR>
	they knew little other than their chosen area of study.<BR>
<BR>
Peez<BR>
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:46:41 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Cons On Ice Scenario Idea <BR>
<BR>
> At 09:43 AM 11/08/1999 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
> >From: "Micheal D. Peters" <Travelleri@home.com><BR>
> ><BR>
> > > In Traveller, try Fate of the Skyraiders. Giant asteroid ship, etc. Oh and<BR>
> > > Judges Guide did one too (Nowhere near as good!) Drakne Station i think.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Please tell me about this "Fate of the Skyraiders" adventure.  Which<BR>
> >edition was it for?  Who put it out?  How would you rate it on a one<BR>
> >to ten scale, ten being the best?<BR>
> <BR>
> The Keith's did it.  Nothing more need be said, it's an 11.  It was an old <BR>
> FASA product, and was of the highest quality.<BR>
<BR>
Partially correct.  It was a 14 on a scale of 1 to 10.<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:52:03 -0500<BR>
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
Subject: re: Zhodani Gov't<BR>
<BR>
GypsyComet wrote:<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
 Advancement in the nobility of the Consulate has more to do with<BR>
the desire to lead and the responsibility to do so. At every level<BR>
the nobles are a democracy amongst themselves, regardless of how<BR>
they handle the Proles that are their responsibility.<snip><BR>
 The closest I've come to describing this is "Democratic Meritocracy."<BR>
>>>>>>>>>>><BR>
There are strict limits to one's social standing if one does not have<BR>
psionic powers, and one's social standing can increase based on<BR>
successful use of these psionic powers - at least, they can during <BR>
the Zhodani character generation procedure, with involvement in<BR>
the psionic olympics. I agree that posession of and power level of<BR>
psionic powers is not the only facet of Zhodani social standing, it<BR>
is the facet that is most different from that of the Third Imperium.<BR>
<BR>
Can you call the ruling oligarchy Charismatic if they use mind control<BR>
to gain for themselves the support of the governed?  ;-)<BR>
<BR>
One thing I've wondered about the Zhodani Mind-Rapers vs Zhodani<BR>
Super-Psychologists: if the first thing you learn about something<BR>
very complicated is how to make it behave in a very simple fashion<BR>
that suits your needs, how good will you actually get at understanding<BR>
the very complex parts of it?<BR>
<BR>
Let's say that Zhodani psionic adepts learn to read and alter minds.<BR>
Is it a necessity that they learn the entire workings of the human<BR>
brain to impose a desired mental state upon it? Can a dissatisfied<BR>
prole be turned into a happy prole by just applying Mental State #37<BR>
(Happy, Loyal Prole) on top of whatever real problems that prole had?<BR>
Perhaps the prole will still have those problems, but be unable to<BR>
express them or act upon them...or even let anyone know that they<BR>
still exist.<BR>
<BR>
If this technique makes a troublemaker stop being a troublemaker,<BR>
will the adepts take the time and effort needed to get a better<BR>
understanding of the human mind? I know they can just open up<BR>
their telepathy and take a look - but I can look at a cell through<BR>
a microscope, that doesn't mean I understand cellular metabolism.<BR>
<BR>
The Zhodani technique could be something as simple as laying in<BR>
a few commands - "Do Not Question The Social Order." <BR>
"Fulfill Your Assigned Tasks Quickly And Efficiently."<BR>
"Present A Happy And Contented Attitude To Everyone You Meet."<BR>
Now the person's brain warps here and there to accomodate these<BR>
iron, unchangeable commands, like a rain forest might warp to <BR>
accomodate a four-lane expressway. The expressway builder didn't<BR>
need to know much at all about the rain forest, and didn't care - as<BR>
long as he could cut down or pave over anything in his way. Simple<BR>
wins over complex by making it simple.<BR>
<BR>
Once a simple, reliable technique is developed for keeping the proles<BR>
in line, will the Zhodani Tvarcheedle spend their resources working on<BR>
a more complex technique that's nicer to the proles' brains, or will they<BR>
instead work on making the simple (though brutal) technique more<BR>
effective and more efficient?<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:47:16 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: FarFuture Site was [none]<BR>
<BR>
At 23:08 -0500 7/11/99, "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net> wrote:<BR>
>>site looks good in iCab, but is NOT comliant to the HTML rec's.<BR>
<BR>
If you generate an error report in iCAB and send it to Marc I'd <BR>
suggest that you switch off the Netscape and IE specific code being <BR>
reported as errors, else you'll get pages....<BR>
<BR>
(For non-iCAB/MacOS users info, iCAB will check a site's compliance <BR>
with HTML4.0 and report all errors. Every page gets a smiley face <BR>
icon - if the page 'makes iCAB smile' then it's fully compliant. Very <BR>
few pages make iCAB smile :-/ iCAB is almost all there now bar <BR>
javascript and some plug-ins, and the preview is free and an enormous <BR>
1Mb download. A Windows version is not currently planned).<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 07:50:27 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
<BR>
At 23:08 -0500 7/11/99, jzeitlin@cyburban.com wrote:<BR>
> >'The Warrant of Restoration' - effectively the text of the<BR>
> >constitution for the Imperium. It is the terms under which Cleon<BR>
> >restored  the Ziru Sirka and the Rule of Man to form the Third<BR>
> >Imperium.<BR>
><BR>
> >It was written by one of the TMLrs - can't remember who though -<BR>
><BR>
>Guilty as charged.<BR>
<BR>
I thought it was either you or Joseph D.... I couldn't remember <BR>
though. Useful document for GMs.<BR>
<BR>
Dom<BR>
<BR>
- ----------Dom Mooney---dom@cybergoths.u-net.com------------<BR>
                        MiB - Marines in Battledress<BR>
    "Protecting the Imperium from the Scum of the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 12:20:17 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Hmmm, they've gotten a bit more nosey...my wife rode home on the subway<BR>
one time with a machete on her lap...nobody asked her a thing. She<BR>
said it was the easiest seat she'd ever gotten.<BR>
<BR>
She got a couple of strange looks when she got on the Metro-North, but<BR>
by then she could stow it in the overhead bin.;-)<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Juliean Galak wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 10:13 AM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
> >The UK law as I understand it, is something like:<BR>
> ><BR>
> >A cricket bat being taken home from a crickect bat shop or being<BR>
> >conveyed towards a place where cricket might be expected to be played<BR>
> >(with that bat) or being used at such a venue is a cricket bat.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >At other times it is an offensive weapon and thus posession is illegal.<BR>
> <BR>
> Some parts of the US (New York City, in particular) have similar laws.  For <BR>
> example, it's illegal to carry a baseball bat if you don't have a baseball <BR>
> on you (I guess the idea is that if you have both, you are actually going <BR>
> to be playing).  I know at one point I purchased a quarterstaff in the city <BR>
> and had it in a carrying case as I was taking it home.  On the subway, a <BR>
> cop asked me what it was, why I had it and asked to see the receipt as <BR>
> proof that I had just bought it and wasn't just toting it around....<BR>
> <BR>
>            -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
> <BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:07:41 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Zhodani Govt.<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com <GypsyComet@aol.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 08 November 1999 17:27<BR>
Subject: Zhodani Govt.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<snip><BR>
>>"Mageocracy" = rulership by people with magical powers. Not the<BR>
>>most accurate term, but social standing in the Zhodani consulate<BR>
>>is strongly linked to posession of psionic powers, and the strength<BR>
>>of those powers.<BR>
><BR>
> Advancement in the nobility of the Consulate has more to do with<BR>
>the desire to lead and the responsibility to do so. At every level<BR>
>the nobles are a democracy amongst themselves, regardless of how<BR>
>they handle the Proles that are their responsibility. The Nobles of<BR>
>a planet elect a planetary Council, which elects two members to<BR>
>the subsector Council, which elects members to the Provincial<BR>
>Council, which elects members to the Consulate Council<BR>
>(aka the Qlomdlabr').<BR>
><BR>
> The closest I've come to describing this is "Democratic Meritocracy."<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Surely, if there are 'Nobles' involved, it *has* to be an Aristocracy if<BR>
they wield the only real power.  Perhaps it could be an Aristocratic errr...<BR>
umm.. Sophocracy (ie Rule of Thought...?).<BR>
<BR>
Yeah, Aristocratic Sophocracy.... sounds cool <g><BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond<BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
www.akira.swinternet.co.uk/strom.html<BR>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:25:47 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)<BR>
<BR>
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From: webmaster@sjgames.com <webmaster@sjgames.com><BR>
To: traveller@pyramid.sjgames.com <traveller@pyramid.sjgames.com><BR>
Date: 08 November 1999 14:25<BR>
Subject: Traveller News Service<BR>
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>Capital/Core<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Capital/Core                  365-1116<BR>
>Former Imperial Army Intelligence officer Colonel Ruys de Bessier alleged<BR>
today that the Zhodani Consulate continues to hold POW's captured during the<BR>
Fourth and Fifth Frontier Wars. Colonel de Bessier recently<BR>
<BR>
^^^^^^^<BR>
Crikey! Thats over 30 years!<BR>
<BR>
<south park><BR>
You Bastards!<BR>
</south park><BR>
<BR>
resigned from the Imperial Army citing "matters of conscience."<BR>
>During a hastily-organized press conference today, Colonel de Bessier<BR>
presented what he described as "overwhelming evidence that many of our<BR>
comrades continue to languish in Zhodani prisons. This is a travesty of<BR>
civilized behavior, and I, for one, refuse to keep silent any longer."<BR>
>Colonel de Bessier  maintains that from 2,000 to as many as 10,000 Imperial<BR>
personnel are held at a number of locations within the Zhodani Consulate,<BR>
and that seven of these locations have been "positively identified." Colonel<BR>
de Bessier refused to disclose by what means these identifications were<BR>
made.<BR>
>Imperial Military sources declined to comment on these allegations.<BR>
>A spokesperson for the Zhodani Consulate described the allegations as<BR>
"laughable and lamentable" and "yet another impediment to lasting peace" but<BR>
refused further comment.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Uh-oh! Can any one say *Sixth* Frontier War. Maybe SJG want a bit of<BR>
conflict as a backdrop, and without the rebellion timeline....<BR>
<BR>
Or maybe I'm just reading *waaay* too much into this... <g><BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond<BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
www.akira.swinternet.co.uk/strom.html<BR>
- --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
"To strike a man who insults you is one thing...<BR>
...To run him through with a sword is quite another!"<BR>
- --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:30:39 -0700<BR>
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
<BR>
SD Mooney wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> At 23:08 -0500 7/11/99, jzeitlin@cyburban.com wrote:<BR>
> > >'The Warrant of Restoration' - effectively the text of the<BR>
> > >constitution for the Imperium. It is the terms under which Cleon<BR>
> > >restored  the Ziru Sirka and the Rule of Man to form the Third<BR>
> > >Imperium.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > >It was written by one of the TMLrs - can't remember who though -<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Guilty as charged.<BR>
> <BR>
> I thought it was either you or Joseph D.... I couldn't remember<BR>
> though. Useful document for GMs.<BR>
<BR>
And where might one find this beasty?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Erwin Fritz<BR>
Gilbert Laustsen Jung Associates Ltd.<BR>
http://www.glja.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:35:01 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
<book critic><BR>
Juliean Galak's latest Traveller novel was released today to poplar acclaim.<BR>
While lacking in plot and characterisation this critic found it refreshingly<BR>
short, to the point, and honest.<BR>
</book critic><BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 08 November 1999 18:29<BR>
Subject: Re: Travshorts II<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>At 02:56 PM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
>>I've had a number of responses so far to my request for Traveller short<BR>
>>stories (3-7000 words, any Canon traveller setting, etc) There's room for<BR>
>>more.<BR>
><BR>
>Hey, I could do this!<BR>
><BR>
>"They all died"<BR>
><BR>
>There, that's three words and fits any Canon setting... :)<BR>
><BR>
>           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:46:38 -0500<BR>
From: "Lyle Youngblood" <lyley@gte.net><BR>
Subject: Civil War Foreign Affairs<BR>
<BR>
(Original attribution lost)<BR>
>> That it was predominantly political maneuvering is made clear <BR>
>>by the fact that the outlying polities, such as the Vargr, Solomani <BR>
>>and  Zhodani didn't take advantage of the 'unrest' in the Imperium, <BR>
<BR>
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the Solomani Rim War<BR>
occurs AFTER the Civil War doesn't it?  There are no Solomani<BR>
to intervene.  Or more precisely, they are part of the Imperium at<BR>
this time and I'm quite sure intervening as direct participants.<BR>
    The Zhodani DO try and take advantage of the Civil War.  It's called<BR>
the 3rd Frontier War and winning it is Arbellatra's springboard into<BR>
contention for the Iridium Throne.<BR>
    As far as the Vargr, they participated as part of the 3FW's Coalition<BR>
I am sure and I am one of the faction that views the Extents as no serious<BR>
threat to Imperial Security anyway.<BR>
                                                                    lyle<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:36:23 -0400<BR>
From: Michel Vaillancourt <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
>>Kiri, just stock up once a year around Passover - when the Coke<BR>
>>is marked 'Kosher l'Pesach' (in Hebrew), it's made with sugar,<BR>
>>not corn syrup.  IIRC, Sephardic Jews consider corn and corn<BR>
>>products to be chometz.<BR>
>><BR>
>Thanks to everyone (Jeff was just one) who mailed me about this.<BR>
><BR>
>I have just one question.  I can't read Hebrew.  How can I recognize what<BR>
>this looks like?<BR>
><BR>
>Kiri<BR>
<BR>
        Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
<BR>
        --Michel<BR>
        (SCAdian wanderer....)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:56:32 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Read all about it ! Sixth Frontier War! It's Official! (... or not)<BR>
<BR>
At 07:25 PM 11/8/99 +0000, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Uh-oh! Can any one say *Sixth* Frontier War. Maybe SJG want a bit of<BR>
>conflict as a backdrop, and without the rebellion timeline....<BR>
><BR>
>Or maybe I'm just reading *waaay* too much into this... <g><BR>
<BR>
6FW was the impression I got as well....<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
#include <disclaimer.h> "Imagination is more important than knowledge"<BR>
                          			     -- Albert Einstein<BR>
for PGP public-key and<BR>
more quotes, http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/plan.htm<BR>
WWW Page: http://gerfalcon.tzo.com/                <BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:20:00 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Coke for Kiri (OT)<BR>
<BR>
On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Michel Vaillancourt wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >>Kiri, just stock up once a year around Passover - when the Coke<BR>
> >>is marked 'Kosher l'Pesach' (in Hebrew), it's made with sugar,<BR>
> >>not corn syrup.  IIRC, Sephardic Jews consider corn and corn<BR>
> >>products to be chometz.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >Thanks to everyone (Jeff was just one) who mailed me about this.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >I have just one question.  I can't read Hebrew.  How can I recognize what<BR>
> >this looks like?<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Kiri<BR>
> <BR>
>         Hey, Kiri!  Instead of learning Hebrew, learn Canadian.  Canuck Coke<BR>
> is always made with sugar...  any time I trip south of the 49th, my friends<BR>
> always ask me to throw a few cases in the trunk to bring down to them...<BR>
<BR>
Eh?<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
> <BR>
<BR>
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